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The Anatomy & Specifics of Yankee Gutters

Anatomy of a Yankee Gutter


 
The Anatomy of a Yankee Gutter
 
An enigma to most people when mentioned, the Yankee Gutter was a mainstay of the nineteenth century on many of the historical properties of the Delaware Valley. Even in construction circles, often the suggestion is made to eliminate these old systems in favor of an external system like Half Round or 'K' Style guttering.
saggign Yankee Gutter

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Some of the myths that are voiced among the novices are made up of twisted bits of truth. The incidents of ice dam damage when a Yankee Gutter is involved has caused many to blame the Yankee Gutter for the problem, but this is a fallacy. These old systems were primarily used with natural roofing systems like Slate Roofs.

 

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Above: Circular Yankee Trough Gutter

Ice Dams are caused by irregular melting of snow from the rooftop. “Hotspots” as they are called, cause fast melting in some areas on a roof. These melting spots cause a water flow to the edge of the roof. Like a bridge freezes before a roadway, the runoff refreezes in a blockage over the eave of the roof. It would seem that a flat area on the edge of a roof would aggravate such an occurrence, however the cause of the ice dam should be the object of discussion and not the result.

Hotspots cause the ice dams. The answer for an asphalt shingled roof is to ensure proper intake and exhaust ventilation. Asphalt roofs readily transfer heat through the roof and in the winter, the hotspots result from this heat transfer from the interior of attic. Another cause is the rapid heating of areas from the sun. As soon as a given area is exposed from interior heat melt, the sun causes the rapid melting in some hotspots. The above description is true for asphalt shingle roofs.

Hotspots do not occur in the same concentrated way they do on asphalt rooftops. Slate by comparison, is much thicker and resistant to immediate heat transfer. Slate systems can be compared to asphalt systems in an analogy that compares frying pans on a small stove burner. If a thin metal pan is over heated on a small burner, the result will be a burn directly over the burner below. A heavy cast iron pan however, placed over the same burner will heat in a more uniform fashion, transferring heat to the outer edges of the heavy pan. Slate roofs are like heavy cast iron skillets and they transfer heat slowly. It is more rare to find a damaging ice dam on a well serviced slate roof in the Delaware Valley. Slate roofs do not contribute to the rapid heating of snow as do the Asphalt roofs.

A damaging ice dam over a Yankee Gutter is usually the result of the replacement of a natural roof with an Asphalt roof. This mix can cause trouble. The old systems that are restored properly usually perform well through all weather conditions. So it is to the credit of the old world craftsmen that knew what worked and employed sensible systems. Newer methods are a strange mix of products pushed into the marketplace and the modern thinking based upon new age construction methods. Old home have their special needs and staying with proven systems provides true return on investment.

The Yankee Gutter is a puzzling thing to many who look upon it. Many of these systems have been retrofitted with new linings, such as rubber and modified bitumen, but these systems were originally designed for metal linings. It is not a rare occurrence to see a center spout added because the old Yankee Gutter has sagged in the middle. The wood often is not rotting and some can be salvaged in a Yankee Gutter rebuild. The nails often will rust on poorly maintained Yankee Gutters. The nails begin the give way and the structure of the Yankee Gutter sags. In this scenario, the entire area that is sagging has to be removed and reconstructed. Most Yankee Gutters have an interior grade that maintains the slope of the gutter, while the soffit and cornice below is for show. Many Yankee Gutters have supports below that are either faux or functional. The difference can usually be observed in the size and style of the details. Brackets are usually larger on the vertical than twelve inches. Dentil Blocks & Corbels are used under these eaves for appearance and sometimes for structure. Sometimes the details must be reconstructed. The cause of the failure of these systems, like the cause of ice dams from above, is often the the shoddy repairs with new age products like asphalt tar, rubber linings, and quick fix methods that do not work. Once a Yankee has sagged, it is doomed and the home may suffer structural damage from continued neglect.

 

 

 

ICE DAM FORUM

 

 

 

 

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yankee rebiuild partial

In the rebuilding of a Yankee Gutter, the original old-growth wood that can be salvaged should be used again in the structure of the gutter. As the nails of the Yankee Gutter are usually to blame, much of the old-growth wood can salvaged. Real wood, instead of composite materials must be used in structural areas and never should PVC lumber even be considered for any part of the system.

Stainless steel fasteners are best as they will afford the system permanence in the very area that causes most sagging situations, rusty fasteners. Screws are best for these installations and the thinner trim screws are best because less splitting of the wood occurs. Copper or Passive Stainless fasteners in and around the Copper Linings are best because of the galvanic reaction that does occur in dissimilar metals that are from two poles of the galvanic scale, in contact and with the presence of an electrolyte, like the moisture that can be present in the dew that forms in the ever changing temperature exchanges in and around the Yankee Gutter.

The metal best suited for these installations is Copper and this metal allows for a good solder joint. A slip sheet is employed, of Rosin Based Felt laid between the metal and the substrate. This barrier functions in a couple of very important ways. Copper needs to move with its thermal differences in the extremes realized in our seasonal changes. This layer of slip sheet affords movement of the metal.

The isolation of the metal from harmful tannic acids present in the wood is another very real and often misunderstood function of the slip sheet. Tannic acids can be harmful to Copper. Many soft woods used in the construction industry exude tannic acids.

One of the problems with retrofitted Yankee Gutters is the splitting of the soldered joints. Flat seamed copper roofing is limited to small pans that have many solder joints. The Yankee Gutter however often receives long pans that result in intense thermal movement along the length of the gutter. With many Yankee Gutters having affixed terminations at the ends, often with outlets at each end, the Yankee Gutter metal is prohibited from thermal movement at the ends. This situation causes the metal to push toward the middle from both sides and the result is often a split in a solder joint and leaks in the middle of the Yankee Gutter.

The use of longer pans in these applications is clearly viable because of the implementation of less solder joints in the system. The use of readily available sheet goods used in the job fabrication process is the main culprit. These sheets of copper are “cold rolled” and an annealing process is used to temper these products. Hard copper sheets should be used with caution on Yankee Guttering. A better product for Yankee Linings is the soft copper rolls that can be obtained through special order.

There has been some advocating of expansion joints used in the middle on these guttering systems. It is only when long pans of hard copper are used that these expansion joints are necessary. Soft copper is the answer for Yankee Gutter systems.

It is imperative that you engage the services of a professional that is experienced in the installation of Yankee Gutters and natural roofing when you are in the market to replace your Yankee Gutter system. Experience and knowledge goes a long way to achieving your goal of enhancing your property and making an expenditure that will prove to be an asset and not a future liability.

Call FSI Restorations for a quote on your Yankee Gutter relining or rebuild.

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Trough or "Box" Gutter Before and After:

Yankee Trough Before

Trough Gutter or "Box Gutter"

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